Mark Qvist’s comparison of nine authenticated predynastic museum vessels with two OG vases—PV1 and V18—leads him to question their authenticity. He says PV1, from Adam Young’s collection, is likely a modern replica, a contemporary piece, or a vessel reworked after acquisition, and that V18 shows comparable problems. Qvist says he reversed his 2023 position after reviewing 2025 scanning data. He had previously argued that PV1 was too precise for modern CNC replication and displayed mathematically coherent design principles from more than 5,000 years ago. He cites what he calls the Artifact Foundation’s "demonstrably horrible track record."
Qvist compares nine authenticated predynastic vases with PV1 and V18, questioning authenticity
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📍 Petri Museum
Key facts
- Qvist’s analysis compared lug-handle characteristics on nine authenticated predynastic museum specimens, measuring 6–14.4 cm, with the OG vases PV1 and V18.
- Qvist reports three recurring traits in the museum specimens: symmetric C-shaped or arch handles of uniform thickness; handle holes aligned with the vessel outline and touching or tangent to the body; and handle-hole diameters proportional to handle thickness.
- Qvist says PV1 departs from all three: much thicker handles with proportionally smaller holes, holes positioned away from the body in D-shaped rather than C-shaped configurations, and slight droop and asymmetry.
- Qvist says V18 likewise has mild droop, set rather than lifted ears, and asymmetrical handle roots, with one side sloping more than the other.
- Qvist reports diagonal or crisscross abrasion marks on the museum pieces and interprets them as traces of handheld rubbing-stone polishing.
- Qvist says PV1 and V18 lack the faint diagonal abrasion marks found on the comparison pieces.
- Qvist argues that the analyzed OG vessels lack the weathering and damage expected of 6,000-year-old artifacts and appear recently made, without scratches, chips or nicks.
- Qvist’s analysis argues that the vessels’ micron-level precision does not align with Naqada-era stylistic standards.
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